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Post by tclion on Oct 16, 2007 12:22:10 GMT -6
Wow Gina we finally agree on something. I thought the same thing about "Walker Texas Ranger".. Hey, watch what you say about my relatives. ;D OK, Chuck Norris isn't REALLY related to me, but his wife is a distant cousin, something I didn't know until I visited her grandmother (my dad's sister) 2 years ago - since they all live in California I never got to know that branch of the family very well. And I never saw a single episode of "Walker" until after I was told this info. I agree that beating people up doesn't make one an actor, but "Walker" wasn't as bad an influence as some other shows. Still, I was surprised to learn that my mother actually liked the show, she's alot pickier than I am! Sorry Anna but you yourself must admit Chuck Norris has no acting talent... Right? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by annavandenhazel on Oct 16, 2007 14:15:37 GMT -6
Hey, watch what you say about my relatives. ;D OK, Chuck Norris isn't REALLY related to me, but his wife is a distant cousin, something I didn't know until I visited her grandmother (my dad's sister) 2 years ago - since they all live in California I never got to know that branch of the family very well. And I never saw a single episode of "Walker" until after I was told this info. I agree that beating people up doesn't make one an actor, but "Walker" wasn't as bad an influence as some other shows. Still, I was surprised to learn that my mother actually liked the show, she's alot pickier than I am! Sorry Anna but you yourself must admit Chuck Norris has no acting talent... Right? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) I wouldn't go quite so far as to say ZERO talent, but yes, I've seen better actors. I suppose beating people up could be a talent ;D but some of those fighting scenes on "Walker" were so badly choreographed (is that the correct word?), even my son (age 10 at the time) could tell they were fake!
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Post by Midge on Oct 16, 2007 16:31:41 GMT -6
I suppose beating people up could be a talent ;D ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by tclion on Oct 16, 2007 17:56:29 GMT -6
Hey if that is a talent then my little brother Mike (the one in the red shirt in the pics) must be able to make a mint he has I don't know how many belts in Ti quando...... I think that is how you spell it. Anyway he teaches so he must be a great actor.. Right? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ??
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Post by Midge on Oct 16, 2007 19:22:02 GMT -6
TC, I think it's "tai kwon do." I don't know if your brother can act, but he seems to have a happy personality. Regarding those Barbie dolls that Anna mentioned, I was too old for that but I was pleased when Barbie's best friend "Midge" came out. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I guess the reason for having those different Barbies is so that little girls who are non-white can also have a Barbie that looks like them and not feel left out.
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Post by tclion on Oct 17, 2007 9:41:14 GMT -6
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Post by annavandenhazel on Oct 18, 2007 13:01:01 GMT -6
Darn, I haven't met Mike so I can't give him a fair judgment. I have heard good things about Chuck Norris off-screen in recent years (before I learned he was attached loosely to my family tree), so at least he's not a horrible person in real life.
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Post by annavandenhazel on Oct 18, 2007 13:34:41 GMT -6
Getting back to the original topic, here are some shows that I wished had been cancelled alot sooner than they were. Even though they did great in the ratings, I couldn't stand how the people acted, which was worse than those in TV shows my parents wouldn't let me watch in earlier years. Married with Children - the parents were jerks, the oldest daughter was a hopeless case, what more can I say? I just don't see any fun in watching a dysunctional family at work.
Home Improvement - while it's good that Tim Allen's character knew how to fix things, I hated how he would ruin his wife's perfectly-good appliances because they needed "MORE POWER!" or would chase her back to the kitchen if he caught her in HIS garage.
Family Ties - I couldn't stand Michael J. Fox's character Alex; always trying to make his parents look stupid "Mom, Dad, you are Sooooooo naive!" or run the lives of his siblings. Michael J. Fox is OK in general but when Alex got progressively more annoying I had to quit watching. If I had even THOUGHT of talking to my parents or bossing my brothers like Alex P. Keaton did, I'd have gotten put in my place REAL fast!
Lucky for you all, I haven't watched a new network TV show in over 10 years, I suspect my list would have been longer if that was the case!
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Post by Larry's 66 Diner on Oct 18, 2007 14:21:24 GMT -6
Family Ties - I couldn't stand Michael J. Fox's character Alex; always trying to make his parents look stupid "Mom, Dad, you are Sooooooo naive!" or run the lives of his siblings. Michael J. Fox is OK in general but when Alex got progressively more annoying I had to quit watching. If I had even THOUGHT of talking to my parents or bossing my brothers like Alex P. Keaton did, I'd have gotten put in my place REAL fast! I didn't care much for this show eaither for the above mentioned reasons, Anna. Married with Children - the parents were jerks, the oldest daughter was a hopeless case, what more can I say? I just don't see any fun in watching a dysunctional family at work. As for this show, we won't even go there! I hated this show with a passion!!!! ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) :companger: :companger: :companger: :companger: :companger: TC used to love that show and I thought it was the most worthless, filthy, useless, nasty, horrendous piece of trash that was EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER on television!!!!!!!!! ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) :companger: I felt like I needed to sterilize and sanitize my TV screen for ever showing their images!!!! ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png)
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Post by annavandenhazel on Oct 18, 2007 14:53:36 GMT -6
I love that computer-tossing avatar Larry - I felt like doing that to the TV when I had to watch those programs! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Midge on Oct 18, 2007 20:35:43 GMT -6
I nominate South Park. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Larry's 66 Diner on Oct 18, 2007 22:44:27 GMT -6
I love that computer-tossing avatar Larry - I felt like doing that to the TV when I had to watch those programs! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Just merely mentioning the name of that stupid show nearly makes my blood start boiling!!!! ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) ;D
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Post by tclion on Oct 19, 2007 7:12:18 GMT -6
Married with Children - the parents were jerks, the oldest daughter was a hopeless case, what more can I say? I just don't see any fun in watching a dysunctional family at work. As for this show, we won't even go there! I hated this show with a passion!!!! ![](http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/lwsroute66/smileys/computeranger.gif) TC used to love that show and I thought it was the most worthless, filthy, useless, nasty, horrendous piece of trash that was EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER on television!!!!!!!!! ![](http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c307/lwsroute66/smileys/computeranger.gif) I felt like I needed to sterilize and sanitize my TV screen for ever showing their images!!!! ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) [/quote] Come on Larry don't hold back tell us how you really feel.... ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) .....It's alright if you don't like a show no one will judge you just speak right up and speak out... On problem... :listen: :listen: :listen: :listen: :listen: :listen: :listen: :listen: :listen: :listen:
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Post by Hedvig on Oct 20, 2007 7:09:06 GMT -6
I haven't seen Family Ties, but I agree about both of these shows. They play on the kind of sexist stereotypes which can be funny as long as they're made fun of, but when they're used to make the characters more endearing - as in Home Improvement - they really get on my nerves. Okay. So, it wasn't actually used in Home Improvement to endear the characters to us, but it clearly wasn't seen as a big flaw. "It's just the way it is, y'know. Men and women are, like, different species! Laugh at it, because you can identify with it so much, can't you? You and your wife can be just like that on occasion, right?
I disliked Married With Children for a different reason. That one just seemed mean-spirited, with the way the family kept warring against each other, throwing bigoted insults at each other, and actively hating each other, yet still somehow continuing to live together under the same roof. It was funny on occasion, but I wouldn't be able to stand watching an entire season of that. It hadn't got the slightest connection with the real world - not the smallest thread - so any kind of identification with the characters was just impossible. They were just one-dimensional stereotypes. Home Improvement was similar in that way.
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Post by tclion on Oct 20, 2007 8:23:17 GMT -6
I used "Home Improvement" to actually help in my marriage, believe it or not. It helped me put things into perspective. If Larry did something wrong the show usually had a show covering that problem. It helped me to put the whole problem into perspective. Then I could look at things from the outside sort of a spectator you know. With that I could deal with the problem without yelling and getting really mad so I loved that show
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Post by Larry's 66 Diner on Oct 20, 2007 9:16:07 GMT -6
If Larry did something wrong the show usually had a show covering that problem. If Larry did something " wrong" ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ;D ;D
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Post by Hedvig on Oct 20, 2007 9:17:37 GMT -6
Guess I must be wrong about it then. Maybe it got better as it progressed, though. I only saw the first season. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Larry's 66 Diner on Oct 20, 2007 9:21:01 GMT -6
I actually didn't mind Home Improvement so much. I liked the next-door neightbor, Mr Wilson! :thumbsup:
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Post by gina1975 on Oct 20, 2007 19:32:07 GMT -6
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Post by annavandenhazel on Oct 22, 2007 11:20:57 GMT -6
Gina, Funny you should mention old cartoons. My mom (born in 1928) openly criticized Bugs Bunny cartoons, how they used dynamite or guns on each other and after the initial impact the character would be just fine. She would tell us about how kids tried to imitate cartoons in earlier years and killed their parents or siblings. Nowadays there are some crazy kids who have killed their family on purpose, but back then I thought her fears were ridiculous - I knew it was make-believe, real rabbits and ducks didn't talk, and coyotes didn't have free access to explosives, and how the heck would a kid get those things anyway? We did have rifles, but they were kept where us kids couldn't reach and we were told never to touch them (we also saw the results after dad went hunting, or when mom or dad killed an annoying squirrel or raccoon). My grandma slept with a pistol whenever Grandpa was away, and it never occured to me to touch that gun - I was too scared that it might go off by accident.
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Post by Hedvig on Oct 23, 2007 8:26:24 GMT -6
That's interesting, isn't it. You hear stories about children immitating cartoon superheroes and trying to fly, for example, and then a lot of adults start to complain about the cartoons. I can't remember ever having confused a cartoon with reality. When I think back to the time when I was 4 - 6 years old - that's when we lived in England, so I can remember that time very clearly - I thought cartoons belonged to a separate world from reality. For one thing, the aesthetic of cartoons told me they were not real. Even a tiny kid can see that a cartoon, as opposed to reality, is in 2D. Children might be naive, but they do have eyes. I also understood early on that the things happening to the characters of the cartoons were physically impossible.
I remember enjoying movies like Mary Poppins, Who Framed Roger Rabbit and The Pagemaster because they mixed the two worlds together. Those movies seemed magical to me for that reason.
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Post by Larry's 66 Diner on Oct 23, 2007 8:59:19 GMT -6
Hedvig, you illustrated a good point. :thumbsup: I never had trouble distinguishing "Cartoonland" from the Real World, either. When I was little, there were times of wishing some things could be real: for example, painting a doorway in thin air, then being able to walk through it! ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) But I knew for certain that it was physically impossible. I feel that many kids don't even think of such things, if it weren't for the adults who plant the subliminal messages into the kids' minds. ![:-/](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/undecided.png) A child may, for example, laugh at Wile E Coyote, trying to blow up the Roadrunner. But the same kid may never think anything further about it, accepting it for what it is, until the adult tells the child, "Now you realize this is a cartoon. You should never really play with explosives." This plants a seed in the kid's mind, which may prompt real activity, all because the adult carried this out further. ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png) Why? Because, IMHO, it's human nature to be tempted to do the opposite of what we are instructed to do. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Hedvig on Oct 23, 2007 9:29:02 GMT -6
![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) Or how about staying for several seconds in the air before realizing you had to fall down. I always hoped one of the characters would simply not realize he was in the air, and not fall down. But that gag was also funny because I knew it was impossible. You could be right about the subliminal messages. I think children always take in more impressions from their parents than they ever do from TV. However, parenting isn't an easy job, and kids can get ideas from all kinds of different sources. Certainly, the wish to defy authority appears in one's head very early on!
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Post by annavandenhazel on Oct 23, 2007 12:58:14 GMT -6
When I was about 10, my mom and I spent an evening thinking up crazy things we could do if we had powers like Samantha or Jeannie for one day; most of it amounted to playing tricks on "deserving" people like bullies or annoying neighbors. Speaking of Samantha, for the first few years of my life I thought her show was called "The Witch". The day I learned the real name of the show, my mom proved again that she was no child psychologist: I asked if "The Witch" was on TV tonight, and she said in a disgusted tone, "It's BE-WITCHED, where did you get such a stupid idea for a name?" It should have been obvious to her why I thought that: I couldn't read yet, the opening credits featured a cartoon Samantha dressed like a Halloween witch, and I had never even heard of the word "bewitched" so it sounded to me like the announcer said "Elizabeth Montgomery in the Witch". Of course I wouldn't have liked it any better if she'd laughed at me like she did later when I was in 5th grade - I was reading a funny story to her from a book I'd borrowed from the school library, where the little sister of one of the main characters pretended she was a "Duckess" and while she was prancing around and putting on airs she tripped and fell in a goldfish pond. My mom laughed and laughed about how I didn't say "duchess" right, and I had to practically shove the book in her face to prove that I knew what I was reading. At age 11, I had read enough fairy tales to know what a "duchess" was, but I was reading exactly what the girl in the story said. P.S. My son has strict orders to never watch "Cartoon Network" in my mother's presence; if she thought Bugs Bunny was bad, you can bet she wouldn't like those horrible things they call cartoons nowadays!
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Post by kelly on Oct 23, 2007 16:14:13 GMT -6
I think Friends should been cancel long time ago like third or four season while Seinfield got boring after two season for me it did
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Post by Midge on Oct 23, 2007 16:21:47 GMT -6
Anna, I'm sorry that your mother was unkind to you.
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Post by tclion on Oct 23, 2007 19:17:01 GMT -6
Anna I am sorry your mother was less than a mother but it sounds as though you have become one of the all time great Moms.. So don't change just keep loving your kids and learn to tolorate your own Mother. Here at the diner we love you for all your mistakes no matter how big or how small...
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Post by annavandenhazel on Oct 23, 2007 23:17:21 GMT -6
I think Friends should been cancel long time ago like third or four season while Seinfield got boring after two season for me it did I didn't even think to include these 2 shows, but I was never a regular watcher; the few times I attempted to watch either (when I couldn't find anything else to watch), it was amazing how fast I found something else to do and shut off the TV before I'd watched much of the episode. ;D
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Post by Larry's 66 Diner on Oct 23, 2007 23:41:34 GMT -6
For the most part, there hasn't been much good television viewing in the USA since the 1980s, in MY opinion! (And that's pushing it!) ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png)
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Post by annavandenhazel on Oct 23, 2007 23:42:04 GMT -6
Anna I am sorry your mother was less than a mother but it sounds as though you have become one of the all time great Moms.. So don't change just keep loving your kids and learn to tolorate your own Mother. Here at the diner we love you for all your mistakes no matter how big or how small... Thanks TC - I don't think she meant any harm, but just "assumed" the wrong things. It drove me crazy in second grade when I would tell her the last name of a new person at school or church and she would ask if I was SURE it wasn't some other last name she was more familiar with. Not only did I hear the name right, but the teacher would usually write a new student's name on the blackboard and make sure we all knew how to say it AND spell it! Fortunately my mom wasn't involved in this one - when I was 8 years old, a new lady with a difficult-to-spell last name became my teacher at the Catholic church. I tried to tell my dad her last name but couldn't remember how to say it, but he knew who I was talking about and as soon as we got home he wrote it down, and taught me how to say it correctly - "Vi-sock-ski". And I was the only one in that class who ever COULD get it right - some kids kept calling her "Mrs. Vi-soss-ki" or worse yet, "Mrs. McCloskey". I wonder what her husband thought of those children changing their last name from Polish to Scottish ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) - it was before "Pollock" jokes became popular so at least nobody insulted the family in that way.
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